Thank you, you're a good man.


"Useful Idiots" Jane Fonda, sort of the dean of useful idiots.


"Useful Idiots": Eric McCormack



'Will & Grace' star Eric McCormack slammed after calling for blacklisting of Trump donors in Hollywood



By Joseph A. Wulfsohn
"Will & Grace" star Eric McCormack drew comparisons to the late Sen. Joseph McCarthy on Friday after calling for the boycotting of those in Hollywood who attend an upcoming California fundraiser for President Trump.
Canadian-born McCormack, 56, said he wants the Trump donors' names revealed so "the rest of us can be clear about who we don’t wanna work with."
Trump plans to attend the Sept. 17 fundraiser in Beverly Hills during a trip to California that will also include visits to the San Francisco Bay Area and San Diego, The Hollywood Reporter wrote Thursday.
Tickets for the Beverly Hills event, scheduled during the week of the Emmy Awards, will reportedly start at $1,000, with packages for couples costing as much as $100,000.
Hosts for the event will reportedly be Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel, RNC co-chairman Tommy Hicks Jr., Trump 2020 campaign manager Brad Parscale and Trump Victory finance chairman Todd Ricketts.
In a Twitter message on Friday, McCormack asked that the Hollywood Reporter name names when it comes to fundraiser attendees.
"Hey, @THR, kindly report on everyone attending this event," he wrote, "so the rest of us can be clear about who we don't want to worrk with. Thx."
 Soon after his tweet appeared, McCormack was blasted on social media, with many of his critics drawing comparisons to McCarthy, whose Cold War efforts to oust Communists from Washington, Hollywood and othere spheres of influence resulted in a Hollywood blacklist of those whose loyalty to the U.S. was questioned.
"Hey @jack is this tweet threatening to "blacklist" American Citizens in Hollywood okay for the good of society?" former "Grey's Anatomy" star Isaiah Washington asked Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey.
"How wonderfully fascist of you @EricMcCormack! Yes, how dare anyone in a FREE COUNTRY actually be FREE to support someone that you don’t or have an opinion that differs from yours," actress Maeve Quinlan reacted. "Anyone that doesn’t get in line with your opinion should absolutely be blacklisted from work."
Hey @jack is this tweet openly threatening to “blacklist” American Citizens in Hollywood okay for the good of society? Just asking for a friend.  https://twitter.com/ericmccormack/status/1167309987393110016 …
McCormack is best known for playing Will Truman in the hit NBC comedy, which was revived for three seasons. His co-star, Debra Messing, is also an outspoken critic of Trump and Republicans.



"Useful idiots" Debra Messing


Debra Messing faces backlash for response to 'sick' tweet directed at Mitch McConnell, Dana Loesch over mass shootings

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By Tyler McCarthy | Fox News

Debra Messing faces backlash for 'sick' tweet directed at Mitch McConnell, Dana Loesch
'Will & Grace' star Debra Messing is in hot water after firing off an incendiary tweet to Mitch McConnell after this past weekend's horrific mass shootings.
Debra Messing is facing backlash over a tweet that many took to be inciting violence against Sen. Mitch McConnell and former NRA spokesperson Dana Loesch.
Messing has been vocal on Twitter following the two mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio which took the lives of dozens of people this past weekend. The "Will and Grace" star quickly found herself in hot water after she tweeted a response to a user's tweet that some called "sick."
 “If I get killed in a mass shooting please cremate me and throw my ashes into Mitch McConnell’s and Dana Loesch’s eyes while I’m still smoldering,” the tweet read. The liberal star said in reply: "THIS. Yesssssssssss."
Users who saw the tweet were quick to call out the 50-year-old actress for her remark.
 “Debra -- people from all political leanings consume your shows and enjoy you and them.  Why would you take a deep dive into the disgusting by reacting like this to a horrific tweet?  Take a breath. Get out of the Hollywood mindset for a second and be a person. Thanks,” one user wrote.
 “I loved Will & Grace ( it should have been the Jack & Karen show ) but you’re obviously a sick person. Please seek help. Seriously,” another commented.
 “You have an amazing opportunity to be an inspiration to people, yet you use your voice in this way. Seems like a waste. God bless!” someone else noted.
 "Cremate the remains of her fallen acting career," another user wrote.
 "I don’t like Mitch, but this is in very poor taste," someone else wrote.
 Messing, however, was undeterred by the negative reception to her tweet. She continued to post a slew of retweets and messages calling for gun control and for GOP leaders to take action throughout the weekend.
Earlier on Monday, she promoted a sound bite from her appearance on Alyssa Milano’s“Sorry Not Sorry” podcast in which she called for President Trump’s impeachment.
“This is my statement about whether impeachment is the appropriate road to take against the sitting President,” she captioned the sound clip. “It was given before the devastating and preventable 4 mass shootings in the last 24 hours. I should have included the blocking of background checks as another dereliction. Please don’t bother wishing me death or attack me . This is my account, it’s my opinion, if you don’t like to hear it, don’t follow me.”
Messing did not immediately return Fox News' request for comment.

Doubtfully blacklisted: Marth Scott




Martha Scott was  confused with the singer Hazel Scott and according to popular legend “her career suffered greatly because of it”  ….but, according to her work record, that doesn’t appear to be the case 


1959
Ben-Hur
The United States Steel Hour (TV Series)
Markham (TV Series)
Playhouse 90 (TV Series)
The Arthur Murray Party (TV Series)

1958
Matinee Theatre (TV Series)
The 12th Annual Tony Awards (TV Special)

1957
Eighteen And Anxious
Sayonara
1950-1957 Robert Montgomery Presents (TV Series)
"Cloud 7" on Broadway.
Modern Romances (TV Series)

1956
The Ten Commandments
1956-1957 Goodyear Playhouse (TV Series)
1956 Kraft Theatre (TV Series)

1955
The Desperate Hours
Modern Romances (TV Series)
TV Reader's Digest (TV Series)
Hollywood Preview (TV Series)
The Colgate Comedy Hour (TV Series)

1954
Center Stage (TV Series)
"The Remarkable Mr. Pennypacker" on Broadway


1953
Suspense (TV Series)
Medallion Theatre (TV Series)
Willys Theatre Presenting Ben Hecht's Tales of the City (TV Series)
The Revlon Mirror Theater (TV Series)
"The Remarkable Mr. Pennypacker" on Broadway
"The Male Animal" on Broadway


1952
Armstrong Circle Theatre (TV Series)
Betty Crocker Star Matinee (TV Series)
"The Number" on Broadway.


1951
When I Grow Up
Somerset Maugham TV Theatre (TV Series)
The Clock (TV Series)
Lights Out (TV Series)
When I Grow Up
Lux Video Theatre (TV Series)
The Ed Sullivan Show (TV Series)
We, the People (TV Series)
Showtime, U.S.A. (TV Series)
Your Show of Shows (TV Series)

1950
Nash Airflyte Theatre (TV Series)
Penthouse Party (TV Series)





John Randolph. Blacklisted from an early career he didn't have




John Randolph (Emanuel Hirsch Cohen) started in theater in the 1930s in the Federal Theatre Project. In the mid-1930s he spent his summers at the Pine Brook Country Club in Nichols, Connecticut which was the summer home of the Group Theatre. He made his Broadway debut in 1938. He was on active duty from 1941 through 1945.
“How could you not become radicalized during the Depression?” he asked. “You’d have to be an idiot not to be radical with 17 million unemployed. Also, I went to a wonderful college, City College of New York, and the ferment there was extraordinary.
“It opened up a communist point of view, Socialism, Marxism, Henry George, all that. There’s nothing wrong with absorbing new ideas and testing them.”
Randolph and his wife were active in AFTRA, SAG and in Actor's Equity, were elected members of union boards and became vice presidents at various times during their careers.
Although he didn’t appear before the HAC until 1955, he claimed to have been blacklisted from working in Hollywood films and in New York film and television and radio after 1948, however the record shows otherwise. He later changed the date of his alleged blacklisting to 1952 which better jibes with the record.

When Randolph appeared before the HUAC, with his wife, they refused to answer questions and cited the Fifth Amendment protection against testifying against themselves.
Randolph balked at answering any questions about possible Commie membership during his four years in the Air Force or when he was a member of the American Federation of Television and Radio Artists. He also refused to say whether there was a "Communist caucus" within AFTRA.
It is difficult to see how he was blacklisted from a career he never had until very late in life. He was a stage actor by choice. He worked on Broadway almost non-stop, from 1950 through 1963.

The Sound of Music (Nov 16, 1959 - Jun 15, 1963)
Triple Play (Apr 15, 1959 - May 16, 1959)
The Sound of Music (Off Broadway 1959)
The Visit (May 05, 1958 - Nov 29, 1958)
Miss Isobel (Dec 26, 1957 - Feb 08, 1958)
The Wooden Dish (Oct 06, 1955 - Oct 15, 1955)
The Time of Your Life (Jan 19, 1955 - Jan 30, 1955)
House of Flowers (Dec 30, 1954 - May 21, 1955)
All Summer Long (Sep 23, 1954 - Nov 13, 1954)
Madam, Will You Walk (Dec 01, 1953 - Jan 10, 1954)
Room Service (Apr 06, 1953 - Apr 18, 1953)
The Grey-Eyed People (Dec 17, 1952 - Dec 20, 1952)
Seagulls Over Sorrento (Sep 11, 1952 - Sep 20, 1952)
Paint Your Wagon (Nov 12, 1951 - Jul 19, 1952)
Peer Gynt (Jan 28, 1951 - Feb 24, 1951)
The Golden State (Nov 25, 1950 - Dec 16, 1950)
Come Back, Little Sheba (Feb 15, 1950 - Jul 29, 1950)

Previously he worked on Broadway from 1938 until 1948 and continued to work in theater until 1991.

What little film work he did between 1948 and 1951 was mostly as an uncredited extra on television and almost all of that happened in 1951 and 1948. He was in two films only, in 1948, The Naked City where he played an uncredited Police dispatcher and in 1951’s Fourteen Hours where he was uncredited.

1951 Danger (TV Series)
1951 The Web (TV Series)
1951 Repertory Theatre (TV Series, 3 different appearances)
1951 Treasury Men in Action (TV Series)
1951 Kraft Theatre (TV Series)

1949 Hands of Mystery (TV Series)

1948-1949 Actor's Studio (TV Series, 3 appearances in what were essentially filmed stage plays)

 1949 The Clock (TV Series, 2 appearances)



Doubtfully blacklisted" Tony Kraber




Tony Kraber had been seen on and Off-Broadway since 1927. He was a founding member of the Group Theater, producing such triumphs of the 1930's as the Pulitzer Prize-winning ''Men in White,'' Saroyan's ''My Heart's in the Highlands'' and Odets's ''Waiting for Lefty.''
In 1952, director Elia Kazan accused Kraber of being a Communist at a hearing before the House Committee on Un-American Activities. He said Kraber drafted him into the party and that they had been in the same Communist unit. Called before the HUAC in 1955, Kraber refused to respond to the question of being a member of the communist party.
 The popular sentiment is that Kraber was blacklisted as a result. If he was blacklisted, it wasn’t from the screen. He barely had a career in film. In 1951, he was the narrator for a film short “Secure the blessing.” He didn’t appear on screen again until 1974 in the TV mini-series The American Parade. Otherwise, his film work was limited to documentaries and there were scant few of those.
His stage work, he was almost exclusively a stage actor, went untouched by any blacklisting. From 1935 through 1939, he appeared on Broadway nine times. From 1940 through 1949, he appeared on the stage once. And from 1952 through 1956  he acted as a stage manager/actor  in four large productions as well as one 1954 stage production at White Lake Lodge in New York state and various full dress cabaret dinner and dance performances across the country.
He also recorded several albums in the 1950s.
Bear in mind, Kraber was 50 years old when he refused to testify before the HUAC, an age when roles begin to shrink for actors on stage or screen.
Kraber was executive assistant in the CBS networks short wave division from 1942 to 1948, when he went to the Dumont Television Network. He returned to CBS in September of 1949, as a producer in its television division. In December of 1949, he became assistant director of special events for CBS Radio.
Kraber said he was fired from the network in 1951 and accused the HUAC  of having been instrumental in getting him fired from CBS. For their part CBS said that Kraber “resigned by mutual consent” in September of 1951, a full year before Kazan identified him as a power in the New York communist party.



Hollywood traitors by Allan H. Ryskind, a well researched and well written read.




Myth: HUAC uncovered very few Communists in Hollywood. Fact: So somewhere between 200 and 300 qualifies as “very few?” Don’t think so.

Myth: Even If there were a few Hollywood Communists, they were not influential. Fact: Then why were John Wayne, Morrie Ryskind, Walt Disney and Ayn Rand concerned that “it looked as if Communists were in control of the industry?” Communists were ensconced in key positions of motion picture unions and studios.

Myth: Hollywood writers were not subversive because during World War II, they turned out patriotic documentaries. Fact: Virtually every writer appearing before HUAC hid behind the First or Fifth Amendment when asked about Communist affiliations and activity.

Myth: Writers did not favor force or violence in changing the United States into a Soviet America. Fact: Some did by refusal to deny or declined to say whether they would support the United States if the Soviets launched an unprovoked attack.

Myth: The “innocents” were harassed by “Sen. Joe McCarthy’s House Un-American Activities Committee.” Fact No. 1: Joe McCarthy never investigated Hollywood. Fact No. 2: McCarthy, as a senator, never was permitted to be a member (let alone chairman) of a House Committee. Anyone claiming otherwise either is trying to cement a “big lie,” or needs a refresher course in grade-school civics.

Doubtfullu blacklisted: Elliott Sullivan


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Elliott Sullivan (Sullivan was a stage name, he was in Texas, the son of Rabbi Solomon Solomon)


In 1956, Sullivan was named as an active member of the communist party in testimony by actors Jerome Robbins, Martin Berkeley, Lee J. Cobb. The HUAC called Sullivan in for questioning. In refusing to answer, Sullivan invoked not the Fifth Amendment against selfincrimination but the First Amendment guaranteeing freedoms of speech and association.

Chairman Francis E. Walter of Pennsylvania warned Sullivan that by taking that route he risked the possibility of a contempt citation and added that it didn’t seem to make a difference to Sullivan one way or the other, meaning it was Walter’s view that Sullivan had to the committee with the intention of being indicted for contempt.

At that, Sullivan screamed “Of course it makes a difference to me. Contempt—I have a wife and two children and I'm anxious to work. I resent that remark that it doesn't make a difference to me—that nonsense. It makes a very serious difference in my entire life.”

Over the next year, the committee gave Sullivan several opportunities to correct his stance and take the Fifth,  but he refused and was indicted by a federal grand jury in 1957. He was acquitted by Federal Judge Sidney Sugarman in 1961 in a oneday nonjury trial because of a technicalitythe prosecution's failure to include in the indictment the resolution ordering the committee hearings.

A tall, strongjawed Texan (he was born in San Antonio, the son of Rabbi Solomon Solomon), he got his first Broadway walkon part in Morris Gest's presentation of The Passion Play in 1929. Mr. Sullivan also played in Winged Victory,” the Norman Bel Geddes's production of “Lysistrata” and in “Brigadoon” and “Compulsion.”

Being called before the HUAC and being indicted seemed to have no actual effect on Sullivan’s lackluster career. Sullivan made 84 films from 1936 until 1957. He was uncredited in 67 of them. Prior to film, Sullivan was  a stage actor.  He never had a leading role, or, for that matter, a large speaking role in his entire career. It’s also important to note that Sullivan was 52 years old when he decided to take on the US federal government. The number of roles available to a secondary actor, at that age, were limited.

Sullivan left the United States in 1962. From 1967 until he left films in 1972, Sullivan made an additional  12 films. He was uncredited. He was uncredited in three of them. He was essentially a background extra in the remaining nine films.   


1959
 Lysistrata (Broadway)
The Great God Brown (Broadway)

1958
The Power and the Glory (Broadway)
Naked City (TV)
Decoy (TV)

1957
Compulsion (Broadway)
 Brigadoon(Broadway)
Small War on Murray Hill (Broadway)
The Joker Is Wild (Film uncredited)

1956
Crowded Paradise (Film, extra but credited )

1953
Taxi (Film uncredited)

1952
Forgotten Children (TV Movie)

1951
Repertory Theatre (TV )
Somerset Maugham TV Theatre (TV Series)


1950
Guilty Bystander (film, a minor role, he is credited only as “A Stitch”)
So Young So Bad (Film uncredited)
Danger (TV)
Starlight Theater (TV 2 appearances)
The Prudential Family Playhouse (TV)
Suspense (TV 2 appearances)
Pulitzer Prize Playhouse (TV)
The Big Story (TV 2 appearances)
 The Trap (TV)
Hands of Mystery (TV)
So Young So Bad (TV)
Actor's Studio (TV )




TESTIMONY OF ELLIOTT SULLIVAN BEFORE THE HUAC


Mr. Tavenner. Mr. Sullivan will be the next witness.

Mr. Doyle. Mr. Sullivan, will you please raise your right hand?
Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing
but the truth, so help you God ?

Mr. Sullivan. I do.

Mr. Tavenner. What is your name, sir ?

Mr. Sullivan. Elliott Sullivan.

Mr. Tavenner. It is noted that Mr. Sullivan is accompanied by
the same counsel who accompanied the preceding witness.
When and where were you born, Mr. Sullivan ?

Mr. Sullivan. I was born in San Antonio, Tex,, July 4, 1907.

Mr. Tavenner. What is your present occupation ?

Mr. Sullivan. I am an actor and director.

Mr. Tavenner. Where do you reside?

Mr. Sullivan. Permanently?

Mr. Tavenner. Yes.

Mr. Sullivan. In New York City.

Mr. Tavenner. What is your present employment?

Mr. Sullivan. I am the director of shows at Wingdale Lodge.

Mr. Tavenner. Where is Wingdale Lodge located ?

Mr. Sullivan. In Wingdale, N. Y.

Mr. Tavenner. Will you tell the committee, please, what your
formal educational training has been ?
Mr. Sullivan. I graduated from high school and had, I guess, about
6 months of college.

Mr. Tavenner. When did you move to New York ?

Mr. Sullivan. In 1929.

Mr. Tavenner. Will you tell the committee, please, what your
record of employment has been since 1940 ?

Mr. Sullivan. I was in Hollywood making motion pictures until
the time I went into the Army, which was in 1943. I got out in 1945.
Then I worked in New York and Hollywood since then, not consistently.

Mr. Tavenner. Will you tell the committee, please, what the nature
of your employment was in Hollywood ?

Mr. Sullivan. I worked as an actor in motion pictures.

Mr. Tavenner. What screen credits did you receive?

Mr. Sullivan. There are about 80 of them.

Mr. Tavenner. I mean give us some of them.

Mr. Sullivan. The most notable was a picture called Each Dawn
I Die. Most of those gangster pictures in the 1930's. I should be
able to reel them off fast, but I can't recall any of the names at the
moment. Three Sisters, Angels With Dirty Faces, Yankee Doodle
Dandy.

Mr. Tavenner. What producers did you work for in Hollywood?

Mr. Sullivan. I worked for all the major studios.

Mr. Tavenner. When did your work in Hollywood begin?

Mr. Sullivan. It began in 1937.

Mr. Tavenner. While in Hollywood, did you at any time meet
V. J. Jerome?

Mr. Sullivan. I refuse to answer that question, sir, on the privileges  
under the fifth amendment.

Mr. Tavenner. When did you take up your profession in New York
City?

Mr. Sullivan. In 1929.

Mr. Tavenner. When did you return from Los Angeles, from
Hollywood — to New York City to continue with your profession?

Mr. Sullivan. I went into the Army in Los Angeles, and when I
came out I came to New York.

Mr. Tavenner. Have you been in New York ever since ?

Mr. Sullivan. Except for one motion picture that I made where
I went to Hollywood.

Mr. Tavenner. What motion picture was that?

Mr. Sullivan. A picture called The Lady Gambles, with Barbara
Stanwyck.

Mr. Tavenner. In what year did you return to Hollywood?

Mr. Sullivan. I think it was 1948.

Mr. Tavenner. Have you been connected with the operation of
any summer camps other than Wingdale Lodge ?

Mr. Sullivan. I worked, yes, sir, at White Lake. That was 2 years
ago, 1953, in the summer.

Mr. Scherer. Is that a camp ?

Mr. Sullivan. White Lake Lodge, I believe it is called.

Mr. Scherer. Where is that located?

Mr. Sullivan. It is on a place called "White Lake. It is close to
Monticello, N. Y.

Mr. Tavenner. Were you a member of the Communist Party while
working at White Lake Lodge?

Mr. Sullivan. I refuse to answer that question, on the same ground.

Mr. Tavenner. Were you a member of the Communist Party while
employed by Wingdale Lodge?

Mr. Sullivan. I refuse to answer that.

Mr. Dolittle. On what ground do you refuse to answer ?

Mr. Sullivan. The privileges under the fifth amendment.

Mr. Tavenner. What is the nature of your employment at Wingdale
Lodge ?

Mr. Sullivan. I put on shows there.

Mr. Tavenner. Are you the entertainment director ?

Mr. Sullivan. There is no specific title given to me, nor did I choose
one. I simply put on the shows.

Mr. Tavenner. I have before me an advertisement of the camp
which has been introduced in evidence as Friedman Exhibit No. 1,
which refers to you as Elliott Sullivan, director. What does the word
"director" refer to in the advertisement?

Mr. Sullivan. It refers to directing the shows that are put on
there.

Mr. Tavenner. Was your employment to direct shows that were
put on at this camp ?

Mr. Sullivan. That is correct.

Mr. Tavenner. And you have been employed there two seasons?

Mr. Sullivan. No ; just this year.

Mr. Tavenner. As the director of these shows, do you choose those
who participate in them ?

Mr. Sullivan. No. The manager hires everyone.

Mr. Tavenner. I noticed in Friedman Exhibit No. 1, that Lloyd
Gough is one of those who was taking part in the program.

Mr. Sullivan. Yes. I am familiar with it.

Mr. Tavenner. Did you select Mr. Gough for the part that he
played in that program ?

Mr. Sullivan. Frankly, I don't remember exactly how it came
about. The manager also knew Gough. It sort of evolved.

It is possible that I may have been the one to suggest him.

Mr. Tavenner. To Mr. Friedman, do you mean ?

Mr. Sullivan. That is right.

Mr. Tavenner. You say Mr. Friedman knew Mr. Gough ?

Mr. Sullivan. I think he did. I am not positive about this, but I
seem to recall his saying he did know him.

Mr. Tavenner. Do you know whether or not you recommended Mr.
Gough to Mr. Friedman ?

Mr. Sullivan. The reason it may seem hazy to you is that a great
number of people were under consideration when we were selecting
people, or when he was throwing out names at me or I was throwing
out names at him. I am actually not positive as to where this name
came from first. It is quite possible that I might have mentioned
him. I have known Lloyd Gough for a long time and worked in
plays with him. I have known him to be an entertainer and a good
one.

Mr. Tavenner. Did you know him as a member of the Communist
Party ?

Mr. Sullivan. I refuse to answer that on the grounds of the fifth
amendment.

Mr. Tavenner. Was he a member of the Communist Party, to your
knowledge ?

Mr. Sullivan. The same answer.

Mr. Tavenner. You knew at the time he was employed at this
camp that he had appeared as a witness before this committee, did
you not ?

(The witness conferred with his counsel.)

Mr. Sullivan. Yes, I did. I read it in the papers.

Mr. Tavenner. You knew that he had refused to testify before
this committee regarding alleged membership in the Communist
Party on the ground that to do so might tend to incriminate him?

Mr. Sullivan. I know that he did refuse to answer, yes.

Mr. Tavenner. You knew that he had been identified in sworn testimony before this committee as a member of the Communist Party,
did you not?

Mr. Sullivan. I simply remember reading about his having appeared and having refused to testify. I don't remember anything about the testimony.

Mr. Tavenner. Were there any other persons recommended by you
for work at this camp who were known to you to be members of the
Communist Party ?

(The witness conferred with his counsel.)

Mr. Tavenner. There might be an inference from the way I asked
the question that should not be, so I desire to change the question.
Leaving out of the consideration Mr. Gough, were there any persons
employed at the camp for entertainment purposes who were known
to you to be members of the Communist Party ?

Mr. Sullivan. I refuse to answer that under the fifth amendment.

Mr. Scherer. Mr. Sullivan, this summer you have regularly put
on shows at the Camp Wingdale Lodge, have you not ?

Mr. Sullivan. That is correct,

Mr. Scherer. Do you recall the show directed by you on the night
of July 2, that is, the Fourth of July weekend? Do you recall that
show at Wingdale Lodge ?

Mr. Sullivan. Can you refresh me whether that was a Saturday
or Sunday ?

Mr. Scherer. That was a Saturday night.

Mr. Sullivan. Yes, I recall the show.

Mr. Scherer. You participated in that show, did you not?

Mr. Sullivan. That is correct.

Mr. Scherer. You had 10 acts in that show, do you remember?
Do you recall there were 10 acts?

Mr. Sullivan. I don't recall exactly. It is possible. Ten sounds
right, yes.

Mr. Scherer. Let us see if this refreshes your recollection : The first
act was a chorus line of 6 girls, the second was a comedy act by you.
Do you recall that ?

Mr. Sullivan. That is right.

Mr. Scherer. And the third was a girl who sang. Do you remember
that?

Mr. Sullivan. It is quite possible. I don't remember the exact
order.

Mr. Scherer. Then the fourth act that you put on that night is the
one that puzzles me a little bit and perhaps you can explain it. Let
me refresh your recollection as to what happened. It was a very short
skit in which you and another man participated. Do you remember
who that man was ?

Mr. Sullivan. Do you mean his name ? Do you want his name ?

Mr. Scherer. Yes.

Mr. Sullivan. I refuse to answer as to his name.

Mr. Scherer. I ask that he be directed to answer.

Mr. Doyle. I direct you to answer the question. We are not satisfied to accept your answer as given as sufficient. You are directed to
answer the question.

(The witness conferred with his counsel.)

Mr. Sullivan. I refuse to answer on the grounds — rather, under the
privileges of the fifth amendment as to names.

Mr. Scherer. Was this man who participated with you in this act a
member of the Communist Party ?

Mr. Sullivan. I refuse to answer that on the same grounds.

Mr. Scherer. As I said, this skit or act was a very short one. I
would like you to explain to me what it meant. It opened with you
saying to the other man, "Want to buy a copy of the Bill of Rights?"
and he answered, "How much?'' You said, "Two bucks." And the
other man said, "I will take it for a dollar." And at the time the
other man said, "I will take it for a dollar," one of you passed money
and the other one a piece of paper to the other. Then both of you said
simultaneously, "You're under arrest."

Will you explain to me what that skit meant, what lesson it at-
tempted to promote?

Mr. Sullivan. As far as I am concerned, a skit like that is a satire.

Mr. Scherer. It is a little too deep for me.

Mr. Sullivan. It is an attempt to put into humorous theatrical
terms things that are going on in this country today. That is a
famous story of a newspaper reporter who took the Bill of Rights in
some city or another and tried to get signatures on it. Out of some 120,
I think he got one, simply because people are afraid to sign any petitions, afraid to, even the Bill of Rights.

Mr. Scherer. As a Member of Congress, I find just the opposite.
The people are willing to sign almost anything.

Mr. Sullivan. This is a story that has been reported.

Mr. Scherer. I did not want to interrupt. Go ahead.

Mr. Sullivan. That is about it. This is an attempt to take that
kind of an incident and satirize it in theatrical terms.

Mr. Scherer. The explanation does not help me to understand the
skit. Can you enlarge upon it in any way ?

Mr. Sullivan. I don't think so. I think I have ex]:>lained it to the
best of my ability. Except that I would like to say this about it : If
there is any inference in your recalling this sketch to the effect that
this is intended to be disrespect on my part for the Bill of Rights, I
would certainly like to assure you that this is not the case, that I have
the greatest respect for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Mr. Scherer. Does the skit itself indicate respect for the Bill of
Rights? Let us look at it a little more. You said, "Do you want to
buy a copy of the Bill of Rights?" And the other man said, "How
much ?" And you put a price of $2 on it, and then sold it for $1 when
he agreed to pay $1. How do you explain that?

Mr. Sullivan. It is one of those incidental jokes that comes in the
middle of sketches sometimes. But this still does not derogate the
Bill of Rights in my estimation in that skit.

Mr. Scherer. I just cannot understand. If it does not do that,
what does it do, or what is it intended to do ?

Mr. Sullivan. Well, sir, I do not think it is possible to take a single
line out of context and try to make hay out of it, because I can't ex-
plain one line. The purpose of the skit, as a whole, was to indicate to
the audience there, in humorous terms, as I said before, some of the
things that are going on in this country.

Mr. Scherer. What do you mean ? What things are going on ?

Mr. Sullivan. This incident which has been reported in the press
and in magazines of a newspaper reporter who attempted to get sig-
natures to the Bill of Rights, and out of 120 people he was accused of
being a Communist by some, I don't know, 20 or so. Everybody
refused to sign it except one person. This, I think, is a very interest-
ing comment on American life today.

Mr. Scherer. You think this skit, then, is analogous to the situation you just told us about, namely, the man trying to get signatures to the Bill of Rights?

Mr. Sullivan. I think the comedy lay in the fact that the man is
trying to sell the Bill of Rights as though he was selling something
subversive.

Mr. Scherer. You said it is hard to explain a sentence or two taken
out of context. I have not taken anything out of context, because I
read to you, and you acknowledged that it was the entire skit. Let us
go over it again. This is the entire skit so nothing is taken out of
context. You and the other man whom you refuse to identify are on
the stage, and you say, "Do you want to buy a copy of the Bill of
Rights"? And the other man says. "How much?" Your answer is
"Two bucks," and he replies, "I will take it for a dollar," And you
sell it to him for a dollar, and then both of you say, "You are under
arrest." Then there is a blackout and the curtain falls.
That is all there is to the skit. There is nothing taken out of
context.

Mr. Sullivan. You were asking me to explain the line about the
$2 and $1.

Mr. Scherer. I have no further questions.

Mr. Doyle. May I ask a question, please. Is this a camp where
children were in attendance?

Mr. Sullivan. There is a day camp in connection with the camp.

Mr. Doyle. Were they in the audience? American children of
what age were in the audience?

Mr. Sullivan. It is hard for me to tell.

Mr. Doyle. Approximately. Were they teen-agers?

Mr. Sullivan. Yes, teen-agers. We are trying to adopt a policy
of keeping children under 12 out of the



Mr. Doyle, There were about how many high-school and college
children in the audience?

Mr. Sullivan. It would be hard to say.

Mr. Doyle. Fifty?

Mr. Sullivan. I doubt if there were that many — 10 or 20.

Mr. Doyle. Were most of the people in the audience fairly young
people ?

Mr. Sullivan. I think we have a mixed crowd, some young and
some older.

Mr. Doyle. But there would not be many of them over 40 or 50
years of age, would there ?

Mr. Sullivan. It is hard to approximate, Mr. Doyle.

Mr. Doyle. How many were in the audience altogether, approximately ?

Mr. Sullivan. It differs with different weekends.

Mr. Doyle. 150 or 200?

Mr. Sullivan. Something like that, yes.

Mr. Doyle. I can give you my opinion of what this skit was in-
tended to mean, in part, that the Bill of Rights was not worth $2, it
was not worth 2 bucks. It is very clear that that is one of the things
3^ou men intended to get across in this alleged satire in theatrical
terms on the Bill of Rights. You were asked how much and you said,
"2 bucks," and then your companion said, "I will take it for a dollar."
In other words, it is a deliberate attempt to cheapen the Bill of Rights
as a matter of value.

Mr. Scherer. But today he is using the fifth amendment.

Mr. Doyle. Sure. It is worth more than a dollar today to him. It
is worth using. We are glad to see a man use it if he can do it honestly
and sincerely, and in good faith. But what do you mean by your
claiming satire when you ended with "You're under arrest"? Why
would a man be put under arrest for selling a copy of the Bill of
Rights?

Mr. Sullivan. I believe in your home State, Congressman Doyle,
some years ago, a man down in that square near the courthouse was
trying to sell the Bill of Rights and he was arrested. That is a matter
of record.

Mr. Scherer. He was not arrested for selling the Bill of Rights.

Mr. Sullivan. What other implications can there be ?

Mr. Scherer. Do you mean to say he was arrested because he was
selling the Bill of Rights?

Mr. Sullivan. I don't know exactly what the charge was, but that
is the way it was reported.

Mr. Scherer. You do not believe that, do you ?

Mr. Sullivan. I believe it is possible for this to happen.

Mr. Scherer. That a man was arrested for selling the Bill of Rights
in the city of Los Angeles ?

Mr. Doyle. I do not know the incident, but I can thoroughly under-
stand that an alleged American citizen who was undertaking to ridi-
cule and subvert the purposes of the Bill of Rights to the American
public should be pulled in and investigated, whether or not he was
crazy or whether or not he was a patriotic citizen. That is probably
why that fellow was pulled in.

You think it is all right for you folks in the theatrical profession
to allegedly satire the Bill of Rights before a bunch of young American citizens, by cheapening it, by saying it is not worth more than a
dollar ? I do not.

Mr. Sullivan. I don't either, but that is not my interpretation of
this sketch.

Mr. Doyle. The language speaks for itself, Mr. Sullivan, plus your
answer. That is the kind of thing that does subvert a constitutional
government, a bunch of you experts in the theatrical or amusement
world making light of our American Constitution. And that is what
you did in this case. That is the way I see it.

Mr. Sullivan. I repeat, sir, it is a matter of interpretation.

Mr. Doyle. We are exchanging viewpoints.

Mr. Sullivan. That is correct.

Mr. Doyle. Thank God we can do that.

Mr. Sullivan. You said it.

Mr. Tavenner. Mr. Sullivan, as a matter of fact did you not from
time to time endeavor by subtle means to get over to these young
people what you recognize as the Communist Party line, through the
medium of skits?

(The witness conferred with his counsel.)

Mr. Sullivan. That is not true.

Mr. Scherer. What did you try to get across to them by these
skits ?

Mr. Sullivan. Entertainment.

Mr. Scherer. Is that all ?

Mr. Sullivan. Yes ; that is all.

Mr. Doyle. Do you think it is entertainment in the highest sense
of the word — I am not thinking of the cheap sense of the word — for
an expert trained in the professional world such as you to put on a
skit that on the face of it makes a monkey or tries to make light, I do
not know how else to describe it, except to make a monkey out of the
Bill of Eights in the esteem of the people who are listening? Is that
entertainment ?

Mr. Sullivan. Congressman Doyle, you keep repeating that, and
I keep repeating it is not my intention to ever derogate or belittle the
Bill of Eights. On the other hand, I hold it in very high esteem. The
point of this sketch was not to in a sense even talk alDout the Bill of
Eights itself so much as it was to satirize an actual incident that has
occurred on the American scene.

Mr. Doyle. But the incident was not connected with the skit. The
chances are that most of the people in the audience did not even hear
of the incident. Why did you not connect it up with the incident, so
it could substantiate your statement now ?

Mr. Sullivan. Well, sketches are written and done and they do not
always have to be spelled out.

Mr. Doyle. I realize that. But the effect of that to me, sir, and
I have directed several youth camps myself in the earlier days, is that
you could not have helped but know in advance, as the expert public-
relations man you are, that in the eyes of those teen-agers, the young
ones at least, that the brief language you used and the way you used
it would have resulted in those young American citizens taking a laugh
at the Bill of Eights.

Mr. Sullivan. I don't agree with you, sir. I think if it alerted
anyone to what is going on, on the American scene today, I think
that

Mr. Doyle. You got a good laugh out of it, did you not ? You put it
on for entertainment and you got your laugh. You could not have
helped but receive a big laugh out of it, and that is what you designed
it for, as I see it, as part of the entertainment of the camp, to cause
something that would amuse and entertain and get laughs for your
performance. That was part of your professional responsibility,
entertainment. So you entertained these young people at the expense
of the Bill of Rights and opened it by getting across that it was
not worth even 2 "bucks." It was only worth half that much.

Mr. Sullivan. There is an inference in your statement, Mr, Doyle,
that seems to imply that somehow I saw there were young people
there, and I saw an opportunity, somehow, to get some kind of a "dig"
at the Bill of Rights. In the first place we did not want any children
in the audience at all. We tried to keep them out.

Mr. Doyle. You said you kept them out under 12.

Mr. Sullivan. That is right.

Mr. Doyle. You were there with your eyes open and you saw
there was a bunch over 12?

Mr. Sullivan. What I am getting at is that an audience is an audi-
ence to me, and I do not distinguish between the young people and
the old.

Mr. Scherer. It would not have made any difference whether they
were young or old, so far as this goes.

Mr. Tavenner. Is this a young people's camp ?

Mr. Sullivan. No, it is not a young people's camp. It is an adult
camp which has a day camp as an adjunct for families to leave their
children in the day camp.

Mr. Scherer. No matter what you say your intention was when you
put on this skit, the party that reported the incident got the impression
from the skit that you were doing exactly what Mr. Doyle said you
were doing. Your intention, you say, was different from that, but at
least one person in the audience did not understand it that way.

Mr. Doyle. The evidence that we have shows that there were at
least a few college students there, and you entertainers knew the nature
of the audience because you saw them. Your purpose was to provide
entertainment, as you say, and get a laugh, and to amuse the people
who had paid $30 to go there over the weekend. That is understand-
able. But I am shocked, Mr. Sullivan, at your satire of the Bill of
Rights, to cheapen it deliberately, or to at least cheapen it, I will say,
by bringing out to the people present that it was not worth $2, that
it was only worth half that much, and that is what you sold it for.

Mr. Tavenner. Mr. Chairman, you were not present yesterday
when the manager of this camp, Mr. Friedman, testified. I asked
him whether this was a camp for adults or children or both and his
reply was that it was a camp for both.

Do you recall that another skit followed in which an individual sang
a song in which he referred to certain victories at different places, the
victory at Valley Forge, for instance, with the verse concluding with
"Oh, what a time it was," and then another verse regarding the victory
at Gettysburg concluding also with the last line of "Oh, what a time
that was." There was a reference to Nazi Chains, with the verse wind-
ing up as, "Oh, what a time that was." And then as to a fourth victory, the verse was entitled, "Our victory is endangered while freemen
are in jail. Oh, what time this is."

You recall that; do you not?

Mr. Sullivan. Only vaguely. I am trying to.

Mr. Tavenner. Was that a means of getting over to the people
in the audience, particularly the young people, the Communist Party
view regarding Communist leaders who were in jail as a result of
Federal prosecution?

Mr. Sullivan. I frankly don't know.

Mr. Tavenner. Who sang that song ?

Mr. Sullivan. I don't even recall. That is why I am vague about
the recollection of it. I don't remember who sang it.

Mr. Doyle. Do you know who wrote it ?

Mr. Sullivan. No ; I don't.

Mr. Scherer. Obviously, that was the meaning of it.

Mr. Tavenner. Do you recall that this same person who put on
that skit also put on another in which he made an explanation that,
"There is a superstition among men in jail that if a light shines
through the cell window they will be freed," and that this light is
commonly referred to as the midnight special ; he further said, "A lot
of men are waiting for the midnight special and each one of you,"
meaning the audience, "is a midnight special." Do you recall that
incident ?

Mr. Sullivan. I recall it, not fully ; but yes, I do.

Mr. Tavenner. You recall it well enough to identify that as having
occurred ?

Mr. Sullivan. That is right.

Mr. Tavenner. Was that also born out of a desire to get across
to the audience a Communist Party twist?

Mr. Sullivan. No, sir.

Mr. Tavenner. What did it mean?

Mr. Sullivan. There are many dozens, in fact hundreds, of songs
through history that have been written about freedom, and this, to
the best of my recollection, is one of those. As a matter of fact, I think
this idea of the midnight special was originated by a fellow named
Ledbetter, a Negro prisoner who was later released because of his
ability to sing, as well as I remember the story. So this is one of
those kinds of songs.

Mr. Scherer. But in this instance, was it not used particularly in
reference to the Communist leaders who are now in jail, and was it
not intended to point out that each one of them in that audience was
the light or the midnight special that was going to release those
so-called freemen that were in jail?

Mr. Sullivan. That is perhaps a possible interpretation. If the
implication is that it was deliberately selected in order to do this, I
would say it was not.

Mr. Scherer. Your answer might carry some weight with me if
that song stood alone. But that song is connected with other skits
certainly, in my opinion at least, was sung for the very purpose that
I just indicated.

Mr. Tavenner. Was there also a skit put on and participated in by
you depicting 4 babies talking together acted out by 2 girls, yourself,
and another man, and in which the characters talk about being
grownup, with grownup people going around dropping bombs on each
other? Do you recall that?

Mr. Sullivan. Yes; I do.

Mr. Tavenner. Was that planned as part of this program?

Mr. Sullivan. Yes; it was put on that evening, I believe.

Mr. Tavenner. What was the purpose of the sketch ?

Mr. Sullivan. It was a funny sketch, again, dealing with what we
consider to be humorous aspects of our daily lives.

Mr. Tavenner. Actually, is it not an illustration of using your
profession to get across a certain viewpoint in which the Communist
Party was interested ?

Mr. Sullivan. No ; it was not.

Mr. Scherer. Were you a member of the Communist Party at the
time you put on these skits last month ?

Mr. Sullivan. I refuse to answer that question under the privileges
of the fifth amendment.

Mr. Tavenner. Are you a member of the Communist Party now?

Mr. Sullivan. Same answer.

Mr. Tavenner. I have no further questions.

Mr. Scherer, I have no further questions.

Mr. Doyle. May I suggest this to you, Mr. Sullivan. I have
already stated how I interpret the skit about paying only $1 for the
Bill of Rights. Instead of satirizing the American form of Govern-
ment, the constitutional Government, and our daily lives in terms of
ridicule and sarcasm and fear, why do you not, through your native
ability and theatrical training, inspire people to strongly support the
constitutional form of government and the Bill of Rights instead of
allowing anything to come into your presence that would ridicule it
or make it look cheap ?

You have the ability and you have the opportunity. In other
words, why do you not satire it in some way that will give inspiration to the young people that hear you and see you in your able acting ?

Mr. Sullivan, Well, sir, I don't accept the premise that I have
cheapened the Bill of Rights in this sketch. I don't recall any other
sketches or any of the other works we do on drama nights, at the moment, but it has always been my intention to do precisely what you
are saying, and to the best of my ability I have tried to do this, and
I will continue to try to do this.

Mr. Doyle. I hope you put a lot more vigor, vim, and vitality into
that objective, if that is what you have, because we certainly need
it and the country certainly deserves it, and the world certainly needs
and deserves it.

Mr. Sullivan. This I agree with 100 percent.

Mr. Tavenner. Mr. Sullivan, you are aware, are you not, that you
have been identified before this committee in sworn testimony as hav-
ing been a member of the Communist Party ?

(The witness conferred with his counsel.)

Mr. Sullivan. Yes ; I am aware of it.

Mr. Tavenner, If you desire to deny that testimony or explain it
in any way, I give you the opportunity to do so.

(The witness conferred with his counsel.)

Mr. Sullivan. No ; I don't care to comment on it.

Mr. Tavenner. I have no further questions.

Mr. Doyle. Thank you very much, Mr. Sullivan.

(Whereupon the witness was excused.)